Marvel: Civil War
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schneefinkMost of what I heard about Marvel's Civil War is "good basic idea, terrible execution", but I wanted to see for myself. Turns out the assessment was accurate.
The public wanting more control over superheroes: completely understandable. Superhero registration is not a far-fetched idea, plus you give them more training, resources, you can coordinate etc.
But they started pointing guns at Captain America before it was even law - what the hell, Hill? All that did was prove to the superhero community that SHIELD and the government aren't acting in good faith, that you're trying to control them.
And then immediately it's a full-out war, that went way too fast. Are there aggression drugs in the water or something? Everyone is angry and fighting all the time.
I don't like these crowd scenes and mass battles. They put in whoever they want, barely bother to explain why these specific people are here, and in mass battles so many people's powers are misrepresented.
I was paying special attention to the Young Avengers, and I don't think Tommy showed up in any of their scenes until #5. (Was he on vacation or something?) Then his or Vision's or Billy's abilities in battle are never fully utilized. I don't think we see Tommy fight at all, actually. (Seriously, the rebels have Sue and the Vision etc. and Tony is worried about Cap?)
But I liked that the YA got to sit at the big kids' table, so to speak. Especially Patriot. You go, Eli.
We never heard the Young Avengers' reasoning for siding with Cap: why didn't they register? After "Family Matters" their parents aren't really a concern anymore (except Kate's father, maybe), and their personal info wouldn't be public (as I understood it.) Instead they risk being captured and imprisoned, which happens. And then they stay with the resistance, which massively disrupts their whole lives (including school, just saying.) I wonder who argued for which side and why? I bet the fact that it's Captain America played a big part, but that can't have been all of it. Eli and Kate are much more critical than that, and Tommy skeptical (though I can't see Tommy on the pro-registration side.)
No wonder Cassie wanted out: suddenly they're in the middle of a war, Billy was captured and a superhero was killed by Thor, it's terrifying and nobody has any idea what'll happen next. Also she wants training, a very good point, the YA never got that before.
Tony's and Jennifer's reasoning "registration is better than outlawing all superheroes" is stupid: they can't outlaw superheroes because they need them to fight supervillains. It's that simple.
They did at least show how Tony was expertly emotionally manipulated. Hank is apparently a Skrull, and Reed Richards is just a dick. Oh, suddenly you want amnesties when it's your wife? Ugh.
Sue Storm is badass.
Billy got captured relatively early on by the government - that must be after the YA&Runaways issues, right? I'll reread them tomorrow. So he gets captured again, and was just tortured shortly before. Joy. But Teddy breaks him out! Probably couldn't reveal himself at first because cameras, but I bet he really really wanted to. Probably gave himself away somehow.
(Why is the final battle in the middle of a city? :(( Did Cloak get the coordinates wrong?)
Cap decides to give up because they're fighting against public opinion - but they did that from the start! I think they said registration had 90% public support. And he never noticed? I thought he was at least aware of the fact that they were fighting more against the government's (terrible terrible wrong) methods than their cause. Doesn't make him look very smart. (Btw his boots look awful.)
Stark, congrats on becoming director of SHIELD, but WHY would you think it's a good idea to antagonize HILL of all people? *sigh*
Endresult for the YA: Cassie is in training with the government groups and off the team, Billy and Teddy need so much therapy, I guess they're all registered now? And doing what?
All in all it's a big mess, they obviously sacrificed a lot of character logic and intelligence for the main plot. But there are a lot of holes that could be filled with fic, I noticed many for the YA alone, silver linings and all.
The public wanting more control over superheroes: completely understandable. Superhero registration is not a far-fetched idea, plus you give them more training, resources, you can coordinate etc.
But they started pointing guns at Captain America before it was even law - what the hell, Hill? All that did was prove to the superhero community that SHIELD and the government aren't acting in good faith, that you're trying to control them.
And then immediately it's a full-out war, that went way too fast. Are there aggression drugs in the water or something? Everyone is angry and fighting all the time.
I don't like these crowd scenes and mass battles. They put in whoever they want, barely bother to explain why these specific people are here, and in mass battles so many people's powers are misrepresented.
I was paying special attention to the Young Avengers, and I don't think Tommy showed up in any of their scenes until #5. (Was he on vacation or something?) Then his or Vision's or Billy's abilities in battle are never fully utilized. I don't think we see Tommy fight at all, actually. (Seriously, the rebels have Sue and the Vision etc. and Tony is worried about Cap?)
But I liked that the YA got to sit at the big kids' table, so to speak. Especially Patriot. You go, Eli.
We never heard the Young Avengers' reasoning for siding with Cap: why didn't they register? After "Family Matters" their parents aren't really a concern anymore (except Kate's father, maybe), and their personal info wouldn't be public (as I understood it.) Instead they risk being captured and imprisoned, which happens. And then they stay with the resistance, which massively disrupts their whole lives (including school, just saying.) I wonder who argued for which side and why? I bet the fact that it's Captain America played a big part, but that can't have been all of it. Eli and Kate are much more critical than that, and Tommy skeptical (though I can't see Tommy on the pro-registration side.)
No wonder Cassie wanted out: suddenly they're in the middle of a war, Billy was captured and a superhero was killed by Thor, it's terrifying and nobody has any idea what'll happen next. Also she wants training, a very good point, the YA never got that before.
Tony's and Jennifer's reasoning "registration is better than outlawing all superheroes" is stupid: they can't outlaw superheroes because they need them to fight supervillains. It's that simple.
They did at least show how Tony was expertly emotionally manipulated. Hank is apparently a Skrull, and Reed Richards is just a dick. Oh, suddenly you want amnesties when it's your wife? Ugh.
Sue Storm is badass.
Billy got captured relatively early on by the government - that must be after the YA&Runaways issues, right? I'll reread them tomorrow. So he gets captured again, and was just tortured shortly before. Joy. But Teddy breaks him out! Probably couldn't reveal himself at first because cameras, but I bet he really really wanted to. Probably gave himself away somehow.
(Why is the final battle in the middle of a city? :(( Did Cloak get the coordinates wrong?)
Cap decides to give up because they're fighting against public opinion - but they did that from the start! I think they said registration had 90% public support. And he never noticed? I thought he was at least aware of the fact that they were fighting more against the government's (terrible terrible wrong) methods than their cause. Doesn't make him look very smart. (Btw his boots look awful.)
Stark, congrats on becoming director of SHIELD, but WHY would you think it's a good idea to antagonize HILL of all people? *sigh*
Endresult for the YA: Cassie is in training with the government groups and off the team, Billy and Teddy need so much therapy, I guess they're all registered now? And doing what?
All in all it's a big mess, they obviously sacrificed a lot of character logic and intelligence for the main plot. But there are a lot of holes that could be filled with fic, I noticed many for the YA alone, silver linings and all.
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